Quote Originally Posted by JuuJuu
i dont mind the skins, i just hate propmenu
Juu Juu and I discussed this a lot last night on Steam, and Juu Juu, or anyone supporting to get rid of it, I mean no disrespect by my comments, and please don't take any of them the wrong way. I'm trying to look at this from a logical point of view, and I will address both sides' needs.

Anyway, to begin, I myself am somewhat biased to this specific quarry, because I never played during the times when propmenu didn't exist, and therefore, I don't know what it was like. I will say however, than in my opinion, I do not support getting rid of it.

Right now, Juu Juu's arguments are somewhat trifling, and in order to really convince me, he's going to need to provide stronger evidence. The things Juu Juu has posted are just minor problems with propmenu, and they deal with annoyances, which don't count much. Sure, you can whine and complain all you wish about how the idiot knocked down your tower, but in the end, it's still just a game, and nobody actually cares. I myself do get frustrated when that happens, but when an admin is on, they kick them, and I go on my merry way, and if an admin is not on, I create a new personal vendetta.

My point is, Juu Juu, that it just looks like whining to me. I do think, however, that some changes could be made to propmenu. For example, there's a few useless props in it, but the only one I can seem to think of at the moment is the bed frame. I have honestly never used it, and I probably never will.

I think propmenu just needs a few upgrades. I think that if you're crouching, you shouldn't be able to spawn props, because that just makes the spot invincible. Also, I think that if should check if your head is touching a ceiling, and if it is, you can't spawn anything anyway. The first response from some people for this suggestion is going to be something like: "Well, 1, you can't check stuff like that, and 2, that's retarded." Yea, you can check for things like that, and just because nobody's used it up to this point doesn't mean it's not there. Secondly, it's not retarded, it's fair.

I however do agree with most of Juu Juu's points, but I still wont take his side until he provides extremely strong points, and really convinces me to. I do get annoyed often in-game, but it's not something I'm proud of. When it comes to an FPS, patience is far and few between.

I just think, instead of jumping to these huge conclusions of "We just need to get rid of it," are a little childish, and almost selfish. I really dont mind if we change it though, because it wont ever bother me what we do, I'll always play in this server for the people.

I'm always up for a little healthy change, and if the admins feel they want to take the propmenu off for a few days, then have at it guys. I have no power there, and I don't know if I would want to anyway. if, after a few days of trial and error, people like it, then go for it. If not, I say leave it up to the vote, because that seems to be the most fair way of looking at it.


Geesh, that was a bit long, sorry. If you're WAY too lazy to read all of it, here's the TL;DR.

TL;DR (Too long; didn't read) ->

I don't think we should just jump to conclusions, and get rid of propmenu entirely. Read the whole post for details.



Those are my views, and I hope I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Good luck to the lot of you, and Juu Juu, if you find some better points, I'd be happy to side with you. Again, none of this is personal at all, it's how I'm looking at it now.

~[RPGBandit]~